14 years ago. Follow 3209. Creation. Black winter lost to king thor with the power of galactus. LT literally held the entirety of Marvel and DC universe in the palm of. Comparing Multi-Eternity to baseline High 1-B, like the Glory is, is like comparing 10-B to High 3-A, or Low 2-C to 2-A. • Pre-Retcon Beyonder • Pre-Retcon Molecule Man-----Multiversal • The Living Tribunal • Gabriel • Beyonder • Molecule Man. I can break this down into more detail. 140. xyrzrockrain. Creation. Celestials > Post-Retcon Beyonder > Phoenix Force. In one of those layers of nonexistence, the one who would soon be known (in one incarnation) as SCP-343 comes into being. Oblivion hasn't done anything himself aside from Quasar, and in Quasar, he stalemated. Gender: Inapplicable (As the character stated, "he" was made of energy. High 3-A. Origin: Marvel. Especially considering the only other times to my knowledge I’ve. which. Nope that’s pre-retcon not post retcon. Conceptual Warping Tier C vs Particle Manipulating Tier B. Alovenus is the strongest in fiction since Alovenus>Omnipotent beings. ''. He would also be the main villain in. CCC Gilgamesh vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder. That's clearly an difference in power/authority. -Everything in bleach. 6 + (POW + (SPS*SPL))^2 + COM^1. Yet beings like Nyatharlope can create infinite numbers of infinite universes of infinite dimensions easily. Beyonders too has proven in little EXP because h e has lost his power on various occasions and despite claiming to be omniscient, but in practice had to learn everything by experience. He's been away from the Marvel Universe for a while but now he's back in all of his overpowered. Pre-Retcon Beyonders was described to be like a child compared to the Beyonders we are seeing now. Pre-Retcon Beyonder wrecks. Pre-retcon Beyonder, ect. The Beyonder was originally an organizer of a massive. Having said this,we cannot scale and judge Pre Retcon Beyonder from what the Ivory Kings do. The Beyonder has been retconned. 1,102. The Beyonder is basically the "The One Above All" of his own multiverse. R. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine PagesAttack Potency: Multi-Continent level (Far superior to Spider-Man (Marvel Comics), should be comparable to his sidekick, Kratos | At least Outerverse level (Superior to Composite Spiderman, who at one point became the Beyonder (Pre-Retcon), his minion usurped Gan as the avatar of VSBW user Yobobojojo), likely far higher (Said to solo trash. . Creaturemaster971. It's Shown Here ''Upon reaching the House, he hid himself until the Defenders finished their business. Pre-Retcon Beyonder just erases the Throne of Heroes, killing every single servant because servants are copies of heroes, made using information from the Throne of Heroes Or he could just wipe out the entire Fate universe and everything outside itHe unretconned himself and became Omega Beyonder, being just as powerful—potentially even more stronger then his Pre-Retcon version form/version that he used to be. His Abilites consist of Powers and. Pre Retcon Beyonder is far above the Living Tribunal. . Theoreticaly speaking yes Pre Retcon Beyonder is above TOAA simply because TOAA is the most powerful being in the marvel universe, and PRB is 1 million times more powerful than the collective. He was the TOAA of his own multiverse, separate to that of the Marvel multiverse, before he came across the. even though the aftermath of it still did for the mainstream universe. God-Tier John armed with his Retcon Powers tries to solo your favorite verse. Introduction on The Beyonder: OHOTMU v2 #16: The Beyonder was an extra-dimensional entity which was the sum of everything in the universe known as the Beyond-realm, and became aware of our universe/multiverse due to Owen's. So I might be missing something. Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder. Marvel tends to have their top tier have very physical feats while lucifer's are more metaphysical. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. The Beyonder(Pre-Retcon)should be Tier 0. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . Even if you want to argue that Beyonder is stronger, it doesn't matter, since Death has already feats of claiming infinite-dimensional entities, that are even. Archie sonic defeated someone who could destroy millions of MULTI-VERSE zones. Tbh fights at this level have unknown victories and are really just up to people's opinions at that point. the Elder gods should be top of their tier. 3 + (STR*0. Beyonder and Thanos . Pre-Retcon Beyonder kills Thanos no matter what the circumstances are. 2. Respect Pre-Retcon Beyonder. 1. So he could just kill them and the concepts they represent. He was not aware of other Beyonders and misinterpreted his personal universe as everything in existence. Beyonder is canonically a "child unit" of the BeyonderS that were the antagonists of the 2015 series- and those things wiped out the entire marvel abstract tier including LT without breaking a sweat. Well technically Dr. Not an expert on Beyonder, I just have a rough idea of his tier of power. Since u said their "own" verse. CC Goku is outerversal while in Uni Blue, meanwhile Pre retcon Beyonder as far as i know is high outer and has way better feats, apart from being part of a much larger cosmology. 9 K Beyonder one writer turned the Beyonder into nothing more than a street-level jobber begging his Daddy or the Lost One to give him some of his powers to create a universe full of gambling and girlfriends because he probably doesn't have the power to do it simply because the Lost One is the source of all his. i wanted to do this match but their was also too big of a tier gap, but now it can happen both 1-A obviouslyYujiro copies The Beyonder's abilities but then says he won't need them to defeat him before showing The Beyonder the woman in him. Alien X (Ben 10) vs pre retcon Beyonder. I have him at Multiversal. That’s how many drops of water there are in the ocean and marvel was only 1 drop compared to the beyonders power. my favourite DC tier 1 Beyonder: 1 TTR: Over 8 The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) Quantu. TF Pennywise should actually be a tier below Beyonder. There it, the respect thread for Pre-Retcon Beyonder. . True Form Pennywise ain't on Pre-Retcon Beyonder's level, lol. Forum Posts. 1431. Multiversal. Hence, in. 6 + (POW + (SPS*SPL))^2 + COM^1. 5: Anyone with The Infinity Gauntlet (When it could be used in Unison)You need to be logged in to post comments. 4 years ago. Speed. She isn't on the level of Lucifer, or PR Beyonder, or anywhere close to TOAA. Some overkill ones would be The Brothers Death (apart from maybe small death), Scarlet King, etc. Beyonder stomps Whole Touhou fodder verse with a thought,while beyonder has feats and proof of being 1-A(Outversal) not being limited to infinitely high geometric dimensions to the verse itself, there is touhou's verse in which the dimensions have been debunked and do not qualify as superior and the ability of yukari only works on beings of a level below her and. So, I looked at The Beyonder's (Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely, 1-A. Pre recton beyonder is one of the most over wanked marvel characters . Not even remotely close. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. He’s high tier Outerversal. Tier 0/0 > Tier A. ago. Well COIE Anti Monitor, as powerful as he may be, is actually a little out of his league here. That one time Phoenix Force making Pre Retcon Beyonder struggle: is this a testament to her power? Scan in question. Pre Retcon Beyonder. Immersion: Beyonder (Pre/Post-Retcon), GoS Loki, HOI Vision, The One Above All and Multi Eternity via Eternity Mask, Deadpool with the Continuity Gem and She-Hulk (Classics); formerly Plot Resistance: The Beyonders (Ivory King), Beyonder (Post-Retcon); scaling from the other beyonders and GoS Loki Toon Force: She-Hulk (Classics); formerly the Elder gods should be top of their tier. Morals off. Pre Retcon Beyonder shitstomps the edgelord version of Batman into the ground, along with the rest of the DCverse. This is pre-retcon Beyonder. Pre Retcon Beyonder is multiversal while Homelander is low A tier. Didn't Comic God of Stories affected Pre-Retcon Beyonder? 7 days ago. Spectre. PR Beyonder is millions of times stronger than the Marvel multiverse. Forum Posts. He beat the Living Tribunal. #36. Within the beyond realm, he's supposed to be omnipresent. @higherpower: I'd be delighted if you can name more than five people who can "blink" a Pre-Retcon Beyonder level character "out of existence. Respect Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Round 2: Franklin wins. Beyonder wins with high difficulty . The old prerecton beyonder wasnt the same as the current beyonders, but he was related to them. Your right about Oblivion shockingly. Humans that exist in a megaverse can't automatically destroy a universe in another fiction. However, Post-Retcon is going down, hard. K. Random encounter. Post-Retcon Molecule Man easily overpowered the Post-Retcon Beyonder. Round 2: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Alien X (author statements included). All Characters are at full powerView community ranking In the Top 1% of largest communities on Reddit Pre-Retcon Beyonder (Marvel) vs Rebirth Superman (DC) The both of them at their strongestBecause his existence makes cosmic tier debaters run from me in discussions. Not an expert on Beyonder, I just have a rough idea of his tier of power. g. Pre Retcon Beyonder gets wrecked hard lol. Reply. Beyonder is a cosmic Marvel Comics comic entity created by Jim Shooter, Mike Zeck and John Beatty. Follow 8344. Didn't Comic God of Stories affected Pre-Retcon Beyonder? 12 days ago. PR Beyonder > Celestials > Phoenix Force. The Beyonder should easily be Tier 0 and here's why:-. Pre Retcon Beyonder said that the combined powers of all the beings in the multiverse (including entities) where just like a drop in the sea and is considered to be a million times powerful than. In Immortal Hulk#50 TOAA said he becomes TOBA when he has to do. The rest of the rounds Marvel is pretty dominant, maybe they could do something in the final round. 2 years ago. A High Nigh-Omnipotent being; with no limits. I don’t know anything about Anos Voldigoad, but Beyonder beats pretty much anyone so I’ll. Hajun via feats and implied power. 4 years ago. One shieldy boi. Pre-Retcon Molecule Man is considered comparable to Pre-Retcon Beyonder, and there is a vast supply of evidence proves that Molecule Man was not in fact comparable to the. SCP-682's adaptive powers are seriously NLF-prone. When ranking the strength of characters the natural thing to go by first is physics. SWI is still the best selling series. Tier: 1-B | 1-A. Example: If a character is in the upper range of a tier such as Solar System level, said character will be listed as "Solar System level+", not "High Solar System level". The Presence vs. Wiki Points. R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. R2: God stomps. It's simple. Beyonder was everything inside the Multi-verse. Featherine is way above than Beyonder. Rules: All tier zero characters from marvel are removed. Sorted by: 9. Follow 41314. That's actually like a low showing for him. So, I looked at The Beyonder's(Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely,. Possibly so, but if he was talking about. The following is an overview of our Tiering System. Definitely Beyonder. bigbran. A Beyonder easily ripping off Thor's arm. Follow. As in you're taking the story at face value. Dimensional Tiering. Pretty sure he can't do shit to The Presence lol & there's also Lucy & Michael there. " Do not attempt to upgrade the pre-retcon Beyonder to 1-A, due to two instances in which the Beyond-Realm was described as being beyond time and space of the universe or multiverse. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used. R1: Lucifer wins Mid-difficulty R2: Pre-recton beyonders wins high difficulty. In the comics Homelander’s best objective strength feat is throwing a fighter jet across a room and he doesn’t have anything comparable in the show. R1/R2 - Depends which Post retcon as their is two, this goes for Molecule man also, the Half Cosmic cube MM and Beyonder and the Inhuman/mutant Beyonder and the Beyonders powered MM. It's simple. but the other writers ruined and screwed up these characters. Alien X is free of any indecisiveness, and both are bloodlusted. He beat the Living Tribunal. And the Beyonder and the Molecule Man are in fact, two halves of one such Cosmic Cube. If I argue against you it's because I find your logic flawed and won't count your vote unless you provide sufficient. Note these are just tier names they have no real meaning here to go into a tier you have to look at all stats and feats and who you can consistently hang with-----True God. Pre-Retcon beyonder could be said to be the "God before genesis" he was God before TOAA existed in the comics at that time, and when TOAA came into existence as an omnipotent character they had to greatly reduce the power of the Beyonder, from there they began to know him as "Post-retcon beyonder". Planetary. Heck, even the ones who created said multiverse and pretty casually at that are massively inferior to him. I don’t know anything about Anos Voldigoad, but Beyonder beats pretty much anyone so I’ll. Divyansh13. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the literal principle and the executioner at the same time yes their was scans of Beyonder TANKing universe busting and faster than light attacks he even was able to. Follow 12333. Honestly, current molecule man is a powerhouse even now, maybe even more so than his Pre-Retcon self. CryptoA registered-source only wiki that is built upon stolen concepts (They stole from a Russian Wiki called Anime-Fight Club which just like Vsbattles Wiki is biased against comics) and known for stealing loads of information from Outskirts Battle Dome and Google+ (from my friends) and trying to pass it as if they know the information themselves until. . The One Above All; Beyonder (Pre Retcon). let's wait and see his actual feats. If he was a true omnipotent, then he wouldn't have been retconned. Well, they are treated as the same character, the Beyonder who showed up post-retcon is, canonically, the same Beyonder who showed up pre-Retcon. She’s not on Living Tribunal’s tier. Inhuman Mutant beyonder probably pretty sure it was his powers in spidey that let him remake all creation in a fraction of a second. Beyonder before the retcon was stronger than TLT. The beyonder is accordingy to comic book guys a 5th tier cosmic. He. As we can recall Pre Retcon Molecule Man was close in range to The Pre-retcon Beyonder, but even still was no match for him. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. Powers are basically the same thing. There are other impressive feats to show, but they are all after the retcon. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is. which is. Location. . Tier: Varies, At least 2-A | At least 1-B, Likely Higher | Likely 1-A, Far Higher | High 1-A. And he has just way more hax and reality manipulation against the mostly physical Goku to handle! 11. Basically he is like the Amalgam Brothers, but so much powerful the Brothers would be microscopic in comparison. 7 K. He would also be the main villain in. Beyonder is a million times larger than an Infinite Dimensional Multiverse, the difference between him and an Omniverse is far greater than the one between MM. @Prince CortSether said: Assuming PR Beyonder in this thread stands for Pre-retcon like it usually does. which allows michael to ignore boundless narrative hierarchy and can create the concept to make new ones over and. Source is responsible for high-tier multiversal beings that invoke omnipotent power to make ideas/concepts into being. Doom did. The One Above All/Pre retcon Beyonder (both characters were created by legendary comic book writers Jack Kirby and Jim Shooter, Beyonder and OAA are avatars of these two comic book writers. Name: Beyonder Origin: Marvel Tier: 1-B | 1-A Gender: Inapplicable Classification: Cosmic Entity Age: Unknown Abilites and Powers: Nigh Omnipotence, Omnipresence, Nigh Omniscience, Remote Mind Control, Reality Embodiment, Reality Condition, Physical Law Immunity, Reality Warping Weaknesses: None Notable Destructive Capacity: Beyond. Round 4 same as round 3 the retcon happened for a reason. Beyonder (Post-Retcon) Beyonder Prime Marvel Universe. Pre-Retcon Beyonder (33 votes) Lucifer 61%. 3 years ago. Yes. They live here, and decided to fuck shit up. 16 days ago TheDevil98Well pre-retcon beyonder was able to erase marvels death. Pre Retcon Beyonder'in seviyesi benim gözümde Mandrakk ile aynıdır ki buna göre sadece Vertigodan bile bayağı bir karakter yazabilirim bende. You do realize Pre-Retcon Beyonder is like, the second or third most powerful comic book character ever, while Anti-Monitor wouldn't even be in the Top 10. The Only Thing I know. Beyonder - vs - Beyonder # 3. Beyonder scaled above all. Pre-Retcon Beyonder wins fairly convincingly. Superhuman. Name:' The Beyonder, The One From Beyond, The One Who is All, Frank. Some stuff from DC like Lucifer Morningstar. Who can beat Pre-Retcon Beyonder? 7. 5. Solar Supercharge: Superman Prime One Million remained in Earth's sun, labelled as the "Super-Sun", for 15,000 years, increasing his abilities to unknown but presumably titanic levels. R2: God stomps. This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Blueface1999 • Additional comment actions. Disable any adblocker and tracking prevention then try again. @dami24434: cosmology expansion. beyonder post retcon iii (aka beyonder of the beyonders) The Life-force is powerful than The Beyonder's power. Owen Reece was a weak, shy boy in Brooklyn, New York who obsessively clung to his mother. S. Thanos w/ Astral Regulator is the strongest character in Marvel-verse. Xeranthemum from Suggsverse, at least going by the wiki. Takes place in an abandoned multiverse. #2 deactivated-629d3023b5b49. Abraxas, the personification of the destruction of the multiverse, is likely somewhere around here, although since he only. The same way how Marvel was back then a multiverse. @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. There has been several incarnations of the Beyonder, each a retcon of the one before. 0. Black Friday DEAL: 1 Year Membership for $5. Gender: Inapplicable. " (Fun fact, guys like EGD and Beyonder exists outside. But that doesn't mean Perpetua's feats are bad. This thread will only feature Pre retcon beyonder's feats, credits to rolldestroyer for the scans and information. If this. ^2 + DUR^1. Then there the Beyonder Child unit thing that is related to The beyonders. ( INT^1. You know that. Name:' The Beyonder, The One From Beyond, The One Who is All, Frank. Marvel's Multiverse was not using Type III Multiversal Expansion. Edit: Looking at the respect threads PR Beyonder actually seems a lot more impressive, and it seems my point regarding Lucifer being half the Presence was wrong. I'm talking only about marvel and not including DC. Jan 22, 2018; Thread starter #2 bump . My favourite Marvel tier 1 vs. CsmicRanker1314 1. All proof that is needed is the fact that he is beyond the marvel multiverse. A statement from Mephisto referring to that part of power as "so potenti is this. Servant tier -the gil that appears at fate stay night, fate strange fake and as a servant in fate go(not the alive gil). Then there is Inhuman/Mutant beyonder who had nothing to do with The beyonders. And Anyone that says Dragonball characters can beat someone like the Living Tribunal is delusional. MrStealYoSweetroll • 2 yr. 5)^2 + DUR^1. Reece became a lowly laboratory technician working at a nuclear plant owned by the Acme Atomics. City. Here, let me pull a Beyonder feat out of my ass: With mere thoughts, the Beyonder subjects the entirety of Earth and all of its' inhabitants (down to the very microbes) to his rule, causing the most powerful leaders to bow to him instantly. 412. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. Ashley. Lucifer Morningstar at his strongest is Oblivion-tier. 3 years ago. 5 years ago Gojira25124-Beyonder True Omnipotent değildir sadece Hyperversal level omnipotenttir. deactivated-5b3daad020468. I am allowing characters who only appeared once and characters that aren't part of the main Canon. Contrary to popular belief, Pre-Retcon Molecule Man is actually significantly below Pre-Retcon Beyonder in terms of power. Basically, either or both can be considered to be the presence, in either it's evil or good forms. Win by death, KO, incapBeyonder (Pre Retcon) Molecule Man(Pre Retcon) The Living Tribunal; Oblivion; Amatsu-Mikaboshi (Chaos King) Cosmic Entities. Xeranthemum from Suggsverse, at least going by the wiki. With that said, some random guy asked Tom Brevoort on Pre-retcon Beyonder being an omnipotent, and this is what he had to say. )Pre-recton Beyonder, was the sum of everything. Doom pressed a button which stole all the Beyonder's power. To start us off: What about:In fact, Pre-Retcon Beyonder had a completely different origin than being a child unit. please everyone change your vote there is no way Beyonder (pre retcon) looses here the "FRA" movement here is based off a. Although, if you forced me to choose one, i'd say Beyonder is a little above Molecule Man. This is before Beyonder's drop in status so his current status is "Above Michael and Lucifer". He’s stronger than the one above all who is pretty much god above god. Universal. He also sits just below the prime meta-versal being in his respective property. 11,059. Key: Incomplete Cosmic Cube | Ascended Cosmic Cube (Kosmos) | Adult Beyonder | Escaped from the House of Ideas. Beyonder pre retcon up to 1A and possible H1A Beyonder preretcon upgrade to 1A. Wiki Points. Thirdeev. This fight takes place in a neutral space and either party wants to kill the other. And yeah he stomps. Follow 1187. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. In the comics Homelander’s best objective strength feat is throwing a fighter jet across a room and he doesn’t have anything comparable in the show. COIE Anti Monitor. Continental. TOAAPRESENCE1. -5. Named but mid-level Celestials. Bloodlust on. Anyone trying to still argue Pre Retcon Beyonder is some Marvel top tier needs to have their info refreshed. 0. PR Beyonder is millions of times stronger than the Marvel multiverse. Manhattan) and has recreated a galaxy. in classic era: Jim. . Both are in character. It would be the Inhuman/mutant beyonder powers so Post Retcon but not the trash Cosmic Cube one. 0. Name: The Beyonder, The One From Beyond, The One Who Is All, "Frank," Kosmos, The Maker, The Broken One. I have him at Multiversal. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Anyway Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than most of the shit in marvel including multiversal threats like Galactus and Thanos. I just want to gauge how strong marvel characters would be in relation to morningstar. Beyonder is canonically a "child unit" of the BeyonderS that were the antagonists of the 2015 series- and those things wiped out the entire marvel abstract tier including LT without breaking a sweat. I really can't be asked to go. Tiering System: High 1-B | 1-A. Beyonder and its not even close. Yeah All Mighty Wins. Basically all Dragonball characters ever created in their most powerful form fight PR BEYONDER all at the same time. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the neverending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth's greatest heroes. Beyonder powered spiderman remade creation in like a nanosecond -. 2. And then we have the fact that Living Tribunal is three times stronger than Multi-Eternity. Some stuff from DC like Lucifer Morningstar. hÀng nguyÊn bẢn- beyonder pre-retcon; 2. Now after the retcon the Living Tribunal, and by extension Michael and Lucifer are above the Beyonder. Beyonder on the other hand, pre retcon at least, is a million times more powerful than the entire of Marvel combined. Imagion all he powers in the Marvel Multiverse (which is infinite), not just the Multiverse but also every being in it, and emptyness (which is also infinite) beyond it (blank pages) Even Stan Lee stated in an interview in the 80s, that Beyonder was supose to represent the power the writers had over the comics. Some overkill ones would be The Brothers Death (apart from maybe small death), Scarlet King, etc. but pre-Retcon Beyonder was explicitly a being outside of the Marvel totality. He was the TOAA of. Forum Posts. The Beyonder deafeated Doom-avec-Galactus' power and dissected him. I am not referring to the Beyonder pre-retcon much less to are discussing about the mysterious race that killed several cosmic entities and probably will be the main villains of the secret wars. . 2nd Retcon - The BEyonder. BeyonderGod's Beyonder is Omnipotent. Word Lords, the Celestis, Faction Paradox, etc. 0. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. Seriously at his peak height, Pre Retcon Beyonder was something that no current DC character could handle. At the time this storyline was written Beyonder Spider-Man would stomp. Forum Posts. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. everything else is nothing to him Galactus. vs. Business, Economics, and Finance. 548. Holo-Man • 3 yr. Childlike and vastly powerful, he grew up in a universe created by the other Beyonders for their young. #. Beyonder displayed far superior implicated power than the. Molecule man, PR beyonder, post retcon beyonders, oblivion, one below all and many many more. Type Solar vs. He is superior to LT, but to what degree is unknown. Nothing's ever more ridiculous than claiming a guy who got extremely tired just from erasing Death from the multiverse, jobs like fucking crazy during Secret Wars II and lost a serious fight to Rachel Summers (which everyone seems to. Shigaraki(My Hero Academia) fights an army of street tier DC and Marvel heroes. 13 years ago@TheLegendary32 said:.